Maximale Abschnittlänge mit Belegtmelder/en - Versionsgeschichte

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	If, on the other hand, the '''occupancy detector evaluates the track signal''', synchronizes to it and 'looks away' very briefly during the polarity reversal (only a few µs), then only actual consumption is measured and influences of line or track length are eliminated.		If, on the other hand, the '''occupancy detector evaluates the track signal''', synchronizes to it and 'looks away' very briefly during the polarity reversal (only a few µs), then only actual consumption is measured and influences of line or track length are eliminated.

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	With simple occupancy detectors, the average current consumption is simply measured; therefore, an occupancy report is generated above a certain length, even without an actual consumer present.		With simple occupancy detectors, the average current consumption is simply measured; therefore, an occupancy report is generated above a certain length, even without an actual consumer present.

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	~~Wenn hingegen der~~ '''~~Belegtmelder das Gleissignal~~''' ~~auswertet~~, ~~sich darauf einsynchronisiert und während des Umpolens ganz kurz~~ '~~wegsieht~~' (~~nur ein paar~~ µs), ~~dann wird nur ein tatsächlicher Verbrauch gemessen und Leitungs- oder Gleislängeneinflüsse sind weg~~.
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	The reason for this 'self-occupancy' lies in the nature of the control signals used. Both DCC and Märklin/Motorola use a positive-width encoded voltage; whenever the polarity of the signal changes, a small charging current flows briefly into the line capacitance – this current is greater the longer the connected line.		The reason for this 'self-occupancy' lies in the nature of the control signals used. Both DCC and Märklin/Motorola use a positive-width encoded voltage; whenever the polarity of the signal changes, a small charging current flows briefly into the line capacitance – this current is greater the longer the connected line.

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	~~Bei '''einfach aufgebauten Belegtmeldern''' wird einfach die mittlere Stromaufnahme gemessen~~, ~~darum entsteht ab einer bestimmten Länge eine Belegungsmeldung~~, ~~ohne dass ein echter Verbraucher vorhanden ist~~.
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	No, that does not apply to all manufacturers.		No, that does not apply to all manufacturers.

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	~~Die Ursache für diese 'Selbstbelegung~~' ~~liegt~~ in ~~der Natur der verwendeten Steuersignale~~. ~~Sowohl bei~~ DCC ~~als auch bei~~ Märklin/Motorola ~~handelt es sich eine plusbreitenkodierte Spannung, immer wenn die Polarität des Signales sich ändert, fließt in die Leitungskapazität kurzzeitig ein kleiner Umladestrom~~ - ~~dieser ist umso größer~~, ~~je länger die angeschlossene Leitung~~.
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	=== Are all manufacturers affected? ===		=== Are all manufacturers affected? ===

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	~~<div lang="de" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">~~		Isolated track sections that are to be monitored
	~~Isolierte Gleisabschnitte, die überwacht werden sollen~~,		from the perspective of track occupancy detectors, have inductive
	~~haben aus Sicht der Gleisbelegtmelder induktive~~		and capacitive components that, depending on the length
	~~und kapazitive Anteile~~, ~~die in Abhängigkeit der Länge~~		of the section, cause increasing electrical
	~~des Abschnitts für ein zunehmendes elektrisches~~		background noise.
	~~Grundrauschen sorgen~~.		From a monitored length of several meters, this leads to a continuous occupancy indication, even if
	~~Ab einer überwachten Länge von mehreren Metern führt~~		no electrical load is present on this section.
	~~dieses zu einer Dauerbelegtmeldung~~, ~~auch wenn sich~~		This applies to all track occupancy detectors, regardless of the manufacturer. The mentioned 7m is
	~~auf diesem Abschnitt kein Stromverbraucher befindet~~.		a perfectly realistic length.
	~~Herstellerunabhängig gilt dieses für alle~~
	~~Gleisbelegtmelder~~. ~~Die genannten~~ 7m ~~sind dabei~~
	~~eine durchaus realistische Länge~~.
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	=== Monitored track sections ===		=== Monitored track sections ===

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